PZPN President Zbigniew Boniek was sure that the third approach to change
the statutes of the federation finally bring the long-awaited success,
meanwhile, he suffered the most spectacular defeat in the current term.
The face of the victorious opposition has given the Chairman of the Supervisory Board
Ekstraklasa SA, Maciej Wandzel, we spoke when pozjazdowe
emotions have subsided.
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TALKS ADAM GODLEWSKI
– What happened at the general meeting of PZPN why professional clubs overthrew novella statute?
– not
I admit that I am surprised that important, but not at all
most important, a matter for the Polish football aroused so great
media interest. Probably this had an impact on the context of personal and
emotional speech that accompanied the downhill. Weekly ‘Ball
Football “is the magazine industry, so I agreed to be interviewed,
but Sunday (we talked on Saturday – ed. ed.) case
permanently shut; I will devote more time to this subject -
He reserved at the outset Wandzel, who is also co-owner of the Legion
Warsaw. – Statute is unconstitutional Therefore, the most important act
law, which every few years regulates anew some issues important
also for clubs. One of the points in time, the possibility was
the existence or non-existence osiemnastozespołowej league. Design
We got two days before Christmas Eve, and run the consultation scheduled for 12
January or shortly after the return of most of us, the holidays. No
We were pleased with the proposed mode, and even we were very
unhappy, especially because – let’s face it – these things
it never gets chance. During the holidays it is hard to serious
work, many people are absent. However, delegowaliśmy
Top lawyers from the clubs to the working group that formulated
important for us to fix, and then they were sent to the PZPN.
President Zbigniew Boniek then showed some openness, because
allowed the meeting of our team with the Commission statutes, which
It took place on 26 January. It seemed that there was then a consensus, but
A few days later, specifically on February 1, it turned out that the delegates to the
congress sent a project that does not significantly corresponded to the order made
findings. We learned about it after the fact of circulated
project. We had the impression that the talks, which were invited,
process were fictitious. And this caused frustration on our side.
We recognized the negotiation process have been completed, what and who
we then talk since our initiative was rejected? What
more recently more or less the same way it looks at cooperation with us
many other issues. If the milk is spilled, it will not be this
He is hiding.
– There is the idea to expand the league from 2016-17 season?
– We wanted to guarantee yourself that possibility, but certainly in this type of reform needed they are transitional periods. The next season was rather excluded, for the next – potentially possible. Unfortunately, this case is linked to the statute in the area, which determines the pool of seats available to the clubs at the convention. A committed in this regard mistake like technical, but absurd. I.e. number of units could be increased to 18, and still have available seats 32. So for each participant league games have accounted for already famous 1.77 mandate. And that prevented the appropriate chapter, which would mean that each subsequent exit could be declared invalid because the statute would be saddled with legal defect, it could not even be approved by the minister of sport. Meanwhile, clubs should have recorded 36 seats, or two, however, which increased our pool of votes at the congress from 27 to 29 percent. Completely but not what we wanted, so we proposed to increase the proportion of votes the pool for compounds provincial, or change the number of delegates to the congress, the quotas have been maintained. Except that for reasons still do not understand, you do not want the president to lead negotiations on this matter to the end. Most likely, he was not able to get along allocation of 6 seats in the provincial group of union activists. I therefore developed a completely frivolous adjustment. By the way, that in general our motion was to move away from regulating the statutory number of league clubs. Statutes of PZPN is not the right document to define this type of thing. This should be a joint decision of the clubs and the board connection.
– That is the part Boniek there was no will to compromise?
– On the eve of the convention, it turned out that supposedly created the opportunity to extend the league, but – what the president said openly – for this purpose, there would need to carry out another exit statutory, most likely in October. So they created the fiction, and the proposed provisions was driven by not even the possibility of work on our part to increase the number of bands performing in the league. Then he accused us that we voted against their own the call for the extension of the competition, while it was not that. We voted against a comprehensive unprepared to end, and a total of senseless regulations.
– An important postulate was the introduction of a representative professional clubs from the machine to the position of Vice President of connection without having to go through the electoral verification.
– Yes, because the existing two-stage system today is a relic of the past. Together with the first league we recommend a candidate for the vice-president of the Polish Football Association and a member of the board, then they must obtain the support of more than half of the voting delegates at the convention. So our liaisons with the compound, who then represent the interests of clubs at the forum therefore, must first be stamped by the provincial union representatives. We decided, therefore, that since we are changing the statute, we should dispense with solutions that are unprofessional and encourage policy. I would add that it also wanted to eliminate the rule that clubs vote on the Vice President. Grassroots. It should be a sovereign decision by presidents of provincial relationships, the importance of which for the PZPN respect, and with whom we want to cooperate.
– Except that this is a political issue, and by the way clear – Boniek not want Wandzel among the vice-presidents of the Polish Football Association and defends itself against this with all available methods.
– Please ask such questions Mr. President Boniek, to me it’s hard to even comment. I understand, however, that at a certain dose of inquisitiveness can attempt and with this interpretation of events at the convention. But what we wanted was to just avoid the interpretation and subtext. Clubs should have on the board of such representatives, which at the moment they choose. We did not want to box was left to speculation, we wanted to normalcy.
– And is it normal that today Ekstraklasa SA is de facto dead representative on the board of? 3.5 years ago, it was Boguslaw Biszof, then president of the company, which, however, today there is no longer any of the structures of compounds.
– Of course, it is not healthy. I do not want at this point follow even half bad word at Boguslaw, who like and appreciate, because he was a very good president of the company, but today even for him the status of vice-president is not comfortable. If, however, resigned, the board PZPN would cease to exist. After the end of his term of office a year ago should gather with colleagues from the first division and choose a successor, and that this would be a normality.
– So you confess you, and actually already admitted that although obaliliście novel, change the statute is necessary. And even essential for the normal functioning of the relationship.
– Absolutely we agree with the necessity. Therefore, as soon as the dust settles, we look like all the actors of this drama will behave. If in the normal way and competent, then a few days we leave the initiative to propose soon a small amendment to the Statute, even before the congress October. So the vote on amendments on some of the most important issues. In contrast, the statute rewritten from scratch, should arise already calmly and without haste in the next term of government PZPN, under the direction of a new Statutory Commission.
– Your minipoprawki to differ materially from the amendment proposed by the lawyers PZPN, which storpedowaliście?
– Scope changes will be much narrower, because there is no sense now to regulate matters that are not burning needs or are controversial. A burning as now there are only two. The first is the adaptation of the statutes to the law on sport at the point of prohibiting board members to be delegates to the congress, which is absurd. The second concerns the functioning of the federal authorities jurisdiction, whose decisions are now respected by FIFA and CAS. And they should be. These two issues have fallen as a result of side events at the last congress and it is worth it to change. All other records can wait until after the October elections. I agree with the president – we can live with the old statute. Without a small amendment too.
– the only question is whether you will have a partner to talk to, because the lobbies until roar, that the president Boniek emotionally reacted to the defeat in the vote. First, the president threw Ruch Chorzow Dariusz Smagorowicz with dinner for the board and the night pozjazdową sent to the opposition offensive SMS and threatened revenge.
– I will not publicly refer to these events. Because of the interest due, and my respect for the office of President. I repeat, however, that we have done everything to avoid a public dispute. Morning before the congress sent an email to Mr. President, which I asked to whatever the projected outcome of the vote, to him it did not happen. Because it is not a match, and will suffer the image of Polish football. I insisted to announce a two-week break in the convention or to convene the next, say, a month later. Unfortunately, the president did not consider my arguments and the only reason we have witnessed a situation that did not have to exist. We are professionals, we have the mandates of their organizations to work for their interests: the president of PZPN Boniek, while I Ekstraklasa SA, in which I preside the Supervisory Board. We sometimes less like, or feel emotions, but it is our duty to work together. I can not imagine a different situation. I declare that from our side will not be given any barriers.
– A from the President of the Polish Football Association? Boniek always wants to win, meanwhile, was severely bodies by clubs at the convention and is enraged, as can be seen at every step. Quickly cooled down, in your opinion, after the defeat?
– It has been some time, so the excitement wore off on each side. But surely not going to deal with the psychological analysis of Mr. President. It would be highly inappropriate. We declare flexibility, we will be able to rise above our feelings and limitations – all I can promise. Congress treat as a single event, person live longer closest match of the Legion. PZPN motto is: “We share the ball,” when we have our Łazienkowska “#Let football win.” I hope that both will be effective in, and not just the near, future.
– I understand your pragmatic approach, but we all heard comments to the Legion and Ekstraklasa SA from President Boniek. That you are amateurs of Celtic, you want to spoil the rank of Polish Cup, and do not even know how to win a title sponsor for the tournament. Over the business goes to the agenda?
– It was not very pleasant, but sometimes the best method in these situations is reticence and silence. Just choose this option. As always, we invite you Mr. President for Łazienkowska to lodge the board will be able to discuss their criticism of the supporters of the Legion.
– When you exit not made, however, the impression of a person who is ready to turn the other cheek. Only a determined fighter who cheered the fight and actively manage a crisis situation.
– few of us, the new owners of clubs, from business, even accused us that we are marketing guys and we do not know on the ball . Sure, we learned football, but the powers transferred to the business, such as the ability to process management, and planning activities, is our advantage and added value, which we brought to the football environment. And not something of which anyone should make a plea. We can effectively organize and fight for her. What’s wrong with that?
– The action actually was planned wide pan on the eve of Congress met with clubs pierwszoligowymi and agitated to form a common front. Also on the reduction of the number of foreigners from outside the European Union introduced by the Football Association. It is also still a bone of contention between the Ekstraklasa SA and compound.
– once introduced a regulation which was a personal project chairman Boniek – and there’s no denying that a significant advance has been consulted with clubs and representatives of the clubs PZPN board supported this solution – but in the wash, it turned out that we made a serious mistake. The idea behind the concept was to playing more young Polish players rather than weak foreign players. After a time, it turned out that the regulation has only negative consequences. I mean, nothing has changed in favor, and we have about 130 foreign players in the league. Change is that instead of players from outside the European Union there are more Slovaks, Czechs and Hungarians who is now 39. This, unfortunately, is not only a weak effect undoubtedly beautiful intentions, because for such a provision is also greatly diminished our efficiency and competitiveness on the international market transfer. We can not reach, for example, the most talented players from the Balkans and the Ukraine. For the moment, it will be able to coexist in our league, only two players from outside the European Union, because they do not want us to come, because they know in advance that their chances of playing are minimal. We discouraged primarily Serbs and Ukrainians, and yet the citizens of the other country is in Poland very many. And really, what is the difference between a talented player from Serbia and Croatia? Not to mention the fact that such discriminatory rules have proven to be illegal and is already several court judgments in these matters.
– What we’ve heard the idea of improving bad, in your assessment, save?
– performed a specific project to the President Boniek – if today is the requirement that a 25-man squad was eight players brought up in Poland, we have proposed that this amount increase to eleven, while withdrawing from the idea of restrictions the employment of non-EU players. We want to encourage the presence of Poles, and not to discriminate against citizens of a few selected countries. We did something together, I’m talking about felernym record in the rules of the competition, but made a mistake. Therefore we asked the President to change Boniek. Except that due to the ongoing strange cold war, even though it really significantly have reduced our competitiveness, you can not do anything constructive. We do not work hard enough on many issues with the compound. Meanwhile, in Germany, Bundesliga and DFB play in each area to one goal. Zbigniew Boniek is still star status, he knows the president of FIFA, has done a lot for the image of the Polish Football Association and the entire Polish football, he chose an excellent coach who built a great representation, we have full stadiums at matches staff – hats off, but that work on the development of football does not end there. You have to have a vision and a strategy to be able to as forgiving leader unite people around common ideas. It should also take care of the quality of cooperation with the professional league, based on trust and devoid of elements of ambition. And that’s appealing, but unfortunately to no avail.
– The presidents of clubs and league heard from you that Legia lost by just discussed solution Andrija Vukcevicia, 20-year-old left-back from Montenegro, with Sevilla. This is true or false?
– Truth. Conducted advanced talks, we had already worked out an agreement with Buducnostią Pogorica and player, but due to the absence of a decision on our side, resulting from that limit, the transfer collapsed. We could not afford to increase the number of foreigners from outside the European Union in our squad, we did not know in which direction will turn out talks with the Football Association, hence our hesitation, which proved to be very costly. In this window the boy went to Sevilla. Of course we will see how they can handle, but such situations are very frustrating. Why close the most talented young players from countries with great football culture? We are losing the competition with other leagues. We have prepared the Legion of transfers of top three Ukrainians vintages 95-98. They are ready to play with us and we can not accept them because some resolution? As a country we consider ourselves a partner of Ukraine, we take hundreds of thousands, perhaps a million Ukrainians, and we can not invite a few players? How about I say it to me the excitement grow. And this does not mean that the rapidly increasing number of young Poles prepared to play in the league. These arguments are devastatingly obvious. What stands in the way?
– wondered to formula I and II league, enter the order issuing the youth league matches, which would be probably the strongest incentive to promote pupils?
– We can lean on such a solution, because every positive suggestion is better than discrimination. Only you need to want to talk. But personally I think, that should decide the strength of the market, and the best prospects of young Polish footballers will take care improving quality training academies. Mr. president stated that prepares superprogram contribution to the clubs that best promote pupils. I would like to finally see, because for us it is a fundamental issue. I have a full list of the names of young Belgians, who came out of the local clubs to the Premiership and thus gave the clubs earn huge sums for development. De Bruyne, Benteke, Kompany, Mignolet and many others. And in this way napędzili the local market. There is a recognized brand young Belgian footballer, even if they were also like Hazard, who played in a different league. And this is the only direction in which we should go in Poland. Due to the shape of the pay-TV market we will not krezusami. Our brand must be our most talented young people. As soon as I hear Lewandowski, then Linetty and Kapustka – it’s true we all look forward to, but we want to be more good examples. I can be more. Meanwhile, even for a moment I did not have the impression that we at this point, had the support of the federation.
– A is not sometimes that just approach to training is currently the main axis of a dispute between the Football Association and Ekstraklasa SA? The company wants to tie up with the agency Double Pass the publicly torpedoes Boniek, which promotes the National Model Training to be announced any day.
– Yes, this is the axis of the substantive dispute. The compound is the flagship program, which is called the Academy of Young Eagle. And very well, that is, I’m not going to criticize it at all. Except that trains its 1,000 boys across the country, while at the same academy of Lech Poznan is training 1,300 players. For us it is a top class, priority project for years, which is to provide the basis for the whole of our football, which has never had. We want to do this to work with a company that has the same success in this regard. On the German, Belgian, in the Premier League, MLS and many others. Interestingly the idea of Double Pass gave PZPN already during the tenure of President Boniek, but for reasons unknown to me, this cooperation has been suspended. Previously, Mr. Bogdan Basal done in this case a lot of good in the relationship. It would be good if we had continued to support the federation in this crucial endeavor, but if this proves impossible, it’s just we will conduct this project.
– You will be pushing for funding from the Ministry of Sports ?
– Of course. We want a fair and transparent way to apply for funds for this purpose. We have a good chance to understand our idea by the Minister, and several other institutions and sponsors. Except that getting to the officials, then government would be easier for our actions has also a social organization that is the PZPN. Without the support of a relationship it is not impossible, but it may be more difficult. Another thing that I do not understand, why we can not count on the help of the federation. With no small surplus account PZPN of up to a hundred million unwillingness additional support changes in the training of young people is surprising. The Federation could and should participate in the gratification of clubs that will be trained well. And above all, help in setting up the academy premiership clubs. They really deserve much more support than the exemption from fees for travel and subsistence judges.
– Statutory Congress was a prelude and an attempt to force the exit before the October election? Now clubs organized around the idea – they were able to unite around the personal details?
– know that you’ll want to the best of us were on the board of the Polish Football Association. League three years is consolidated as never before, the basis of our activity is a consensus, even though we come from towns and cities, we have private owners and local government can play to one goal. We proved it many times, not just during the congress of the statutory relationship. It is not always easy, but the basis of our activities is open communication, respect for internal democracy, counting the opinion of others. And the ability to listen.
– the Lord has already declared that it will not competed at the PZPN president. And do you see yourself in the role of vice-president representing the professional clubs on the board of?
– again clearly I emphasize that I am not interested in running for the head of a relationship, because it is contrary to my career plans and private and commitment Legion. While any of my entrance to the PZPN board, which meets 12 times a year, is another matter. I do not rule. I think that I could profile his competence and experience to make it to the Football Association has become even better. I am not attached to the idea. If my person would arouse controversy in this regard, it certainly find someone even more oriented to compromise.
– In an environment rife that professional clubs in the autumn elections for president will support Cezary Kulesza. These rumors are based on the truth?
– Czarek like and appreciate, it is very popular in the environment, but I know nothing at this moment to have a start. It is rather the rumors disseminated by his antagonists. Football Association is an organization that brings together the element of grassroots and professional, but also judges, women, coaches, futsal, beach football. At the head of relationship should become, therefore, a person who is the authority for all these environments. I do not think that it was likely to make it representative of the clubs got an effective mandate in this regard. Looking for a suitable candidate four years ago, we supported almost all the professional clubs Zbigniew Boniek …
– … and so will also be in eight months?
> – be honest – we’ll see. Mr. president has not yet declared whether re-start. If you decide on, so it is still today the most serious candidate to continue to work on the present position. We will seek support for our proposals club, wydelegujemy the best among us to work in the Polish Football Association and will seek an agreement so that all who make football a family, have a sense of participation in how it works. Many good things are happening in Polish football, we are happy, but the road to the peak is still ahead of us.
The interview was published in the latest issue of the weekly “Football”
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